Looking to move up to the big time? Zaza recently moved up and was nice enough to review some of his more interesting hands from $400NL - $1,000NL. He discusses a number of topics important to mid stake regulars including river check raise bluffs, sizing river bets correctly, bluff catching vs river over bets(!) and over betting.
Very nice video, man!
You say "You know" a lot to discourage people from watching (I assume cause the later hands are too soul-crushing for a wider audience!?), but thats ok :)
round 8 minutes:
I really like the discussion about overbetting not enabling people to check-raise-bluff, because in a lot of spots this can be a very valid strategy for this exact reason, and the more somebodys gameplan relies on being able to bluffraise turns or rivers, the more we can destroy their strat and turn some light peels into losers by overbetting.
17 minutes:
While i agree with everything you say about sizing, i actually do not agree that Asx is the best bluffing hand in this spot (i would have agreed with you 2 minutes ago tho, so thanks for inspiring me).
Against really extreme cbettors, i think everything you say is this true.
Against anybody more reasonable tho, i think Asx is quite a huge part of his bluffing-range on the river (because its also a fairly inelastic part of his cbet-range i would assume), and thinking about heads up, any flushblocker is the same against a 100%-range anyway, so we'd rather have a hand like 5s4,8s7 etc to keep the Asx hands in his barreling-range.
35 minutes:
Especially SBversBU, its so dumb of him to check raise there (instead of protecting his calling-range if he indeed does have trips) against an observant and non-foldy guy like you (This is cause the button has just a riddic number of combos of 6x compared to the SB).
Its def a spot where we might have to adjust our cbet-range vers certain players for sure though.
If he is levelling you with a random PP, i think he should play vers your calling-range and not mess with your 3betting-range (cause of potsize and way-ahead way-behind stuff and not knowing your frequencies. Oh, and stacksizes as well).
Very nice hand btw.
49 and following:
This hand is so well played that you really shouldnt show it in a vid ;)
Thx for sharing those hands and congrats on the great day!
25mins you float AQ on 79JrT and bluff the 4-straight on the turn, You said you would have bluffed the river if called. Im not sure how profitable a river bluff will be. What range of hands do you think calls turn then folds river? My reaction when I saw the turn was to check back the turn and bluff the river. I would be checking back my entire range on the turn
43mins with 96 on 636QT, I am amazed your 96 was good there.
55mins with JT where you c/r the turn. Not sure I agree with your line, though it worked well here. I'm also not sure I like C/ring an A-high flush draw on the turn either, as you probably have enough SD equity to call the turn.
First hand, you c/c flop, if a blank turn goes chk chk, I assume you would bluff river. What would your sizing be an and why? Assume if an ace turn goes check check (not this one obviously), you just give up since he is likely to check back a king to bluffcatch river?
11:36 A4, why is turn ''obviously'' a c/c?
19:40. I still don't really understand your river jam. Don't u think this card connects a lot with his range? 79, 67, some straights like u said. Also like, I would be afraid that he calls down lighter because ''he might induce with flopsizing and flush draw misses, so that he can call with like 9x? Like I would jam rivers a lot here too, but more on cards that complete flush draw, and some high cards that don't connect with his turn calling range so much. What do you think? Am I giving villain too tight of a range again?
The KTo hand when u c/r the fish otf. U bet sth like 125 into 150 ott. Dont u think its better to choose a bit smaller sizing here, letting the fish call with a wider and weaker range, and then having a slight ob left otr. To me it seems a bit better, since we are alw gonna bluff river after betting turn, we might as well try and let the fish have as weak range as possible that gets to the river. So what do u think about betting like 90 or sth ott?
The AQ hand vs n3kt. When he cbets this flop, arent u afraid that he is just gonna barrel off 3 streets on almost any runout that doesnt complete any straights if he is bluffing? Cuz since this board does hit your defendingrange pretty hard, i wouldnt expect him to be to light here for cbeting. Cuz to me it seems like if he has a hand like KT f ex, betting one street and c/f turn, or betting 2 streets and c/f river on blank runouts seems bad. So mostly i expect him to barrel off, what do u think about that? And what do u think about minraising the flop, or just folding?
Sick video bro! Very interesting stuff being said here.
really, really good content. finally some high quality training video (except Sauce's). perfect format, perfect audio/video, perfect language, interesting hand selection, ...
keep it up!
In hand 1, what is your plan on a blank turn if he barrels? You mentioned this opponent had a turn barrel frequency on the lower side, but are you check/raising flop versus opponents you expect to barrel the turn more often?
Have a question about the first hand with Q8s on K95ss:
What are your frequencies regarding c/c'ing and c/r'ing here? And what factors do you consider whether you want to c/c or c/r?
Very nice video, man!
You say "You know" a lot to discourage people from watching (I assume cause the later hands are too soul-crushing for a wider audience!?), but thats ok :)
Sorry didnt notice that at all .:)
round 8 minutes:
I really like the discussion about overbetting not enabling people to check-raise-bluff, because in a lot of spots this can be a very valid strategy for this exact reason, and the more somebodys gameplan relies on being able to bluffraise turns or rivers, the more we can destroy their strat and turn some light peels into losers by overbetting.
17 minutes:
While i agree with everything you say about sizing, i actually do not agree that Asx is the best bluffing hand in this spot (i would have agreed with you 2 minutes ago tho, so thanks for inspiring me).
Against really extreme cbettors, i think everything you say is this true.
Against anybody more reasonable tho, i think Asx is quite a huge part of his bluffing-range on the river (because its also a fairly inelastic part of his cbet-range i would assume), and thinking about heads up, any flushblocker is the same against a 100%-range anyway, so we'd rather have a hand like 5s4,8s7 etc to keep the Asx hands in his barreling-range.
35 minutes:
Especially SBversBU, its so dumb of him to check raise there (instead of protecting his calling-range if he indeed does have trips) against an observant and non-foldy guy like you (This is cause the button has just a riddic number of combos of 6x compared to the SB).
Its def a spot where we might have to adjust our cbet-range vers certain players for sure though.
If he is levelling you with a random PP, i think he should play vers your calling-range and not mess with your 3betting-range (cause of potsize and way-ahead way-behind stuff and not knowing your frequencies. Oh, and stacksizes as well).
Very nice hand btw.
I like everything u said about his gameplan there.
49 and following:
This hand is so well played that you really shouldnt show it in a vid ;)
Thx for sharing those hands and congrats on the great day!
25mins you float AQ on 79JrT and bluff the 4-straight on the turn, You said you would have bluffed the river if called. Im not sure how profitable a river bluff will be. What range of hands do you think calls turn then folds river? My reaction when I saw the turn was to check back the turn and bluff the river. I would be checking back my entire range on the turn
I dont like ur idea of delay bluffing the river, since I dont think he only has a ch/f or ch/c ch/c range.More so I dont think we can generate the sort of foldequity we would want. I think ur argument works way better in theory than it does in practice, since a lot of villains, even at higher stakes dont have as thought out turn/river checking ranges. I can see people ch/c ch/f alot of hands like middle or tp plus an oesd or flushdraw if there was one, cos I dont remember , forgive me.:)
43mins with 96 on 636QT, I am amazed your 96 was good there.
I wasnt pumped in game either.:)
55mins with JT where you c/r the turn. Not sure I agree with your line, though it worked well here. I'm also not sure I like C/ring an A-high flush draw on the turn either, as you probably have enough SD equity to call the turn.
I obviously have enough equity to check call turn but I m fairly confident he bets any pair and we put him into a tougher spot by ch/r , since I dont see the need to bet the turn myself with ace high. About anything else I think I talked about in the video.As far as what Id do with other hands in my range.
really, really good content. finally some high quality training video (except Sauce's). perfect format, perfect audio/video, perfect language, interesting hand selection, ...
keep it up!
First hand, you c/c flop, if a blank turn goes chk chk, I assume you would bluff river. What would your sizing be an and why? Assume if an ace turn goes check check (not this one obviously), you just give up since he is likely to check back a king to bluffcatch river?
People dont always bet any scarecard with any part of their cbet range, So depending how weak my hand was I would still bluff the river some % of the time, with airballs as well. I dont size my riverbets too big there, but in general it depends how air heavy ur range is, the more air heavy the bigger, the less perceived air u have the smaller u can go, a concept that not alot of people seem to grasp somehow.
11:36 A4, why is turn ''obviously'' a c/c?
Cos the vast majority of my range is gonna be calling on that card, and I cant ch r for thinn value with anything besides a flush.
19:40. I still don't really understand your river jam. Don't u think this card connects a lot with his range? 79, 67, some straights like u said. Also like, I would be afraid that he calls down lighter because ''he might induce with flopsizing and flush draw misses, so that he can call with like 9x? Like I would jam rivers a lot here too, but more on cards that complete flush draw, and some high cards that don't connect with his turn calling range so much. What do you think? Am I giving villain too tight of a range again?
I dont like calling on river flushcards since he s gonna have all backdoor flushdraw combos and backdoor straightdraws as well, As far as the rest, like I said in the video Im not worried about fish bluffcatching their stack off with a small pair here. I dont think betting turn much smaller widens his range as much as u think, since alot of his hands, just dont have a choice but to call in his eyes, if they have any sort of small redraw, so Im making less money by betting smaller.
The KTo hand when u c/r the fish otf. U bet sth like 125 into 150 ott. Dont u think its better to choose a bit smaller sizing here, letting the fish call with a wider and weaker range, and then having a slight ob left otr. To me it seems a bit better, since we are alw gonna bluff river after betting turn, we might as well try and let the fish have as weak range as possible that gets to the river. So what do u think about betting like 90 or sth ott?
Answered this in thestudents post.^^
The AQ hand vs n3kt. When he cbets this flop, arent u afraid that he is just gonna barrel off 3 streets on almost any runout that doesnt complete any straights if he is bluffing? Cuz since this board does hit your defendingrange pretty hard, i wouldnt expect him to be to light here for cbeting. Cuz to me it seems like if he has a hand like KT f ex, betting one street and c/f turn, or betting 2 streets and c/f river on blank runouts seems bad. So mostly i expect him to barrel off, what do u think about that? And what do u think about minraising the flop, or just folding?
No im not afraid, since there are enough cards that are better for my range than his, and those combined on the turn and river combinations, makes it an ok spot for me.U cant just alw cbet and plan ur gonna 3barrle no matter what, ranges change on different runouts. U could obv 3barrel any blank runout.
Sick video bro! Very interesting stuff being said here.
Have a question about the first hand with Q8s on K95ss:
What are your frequencies regarding c/c'ing and c/r'ing here? And what factors do you consider whether you want to c/c or c/r?
It depends on how often my opponent barrels the river and what the turn card is, the more weaker hands in my range I have the more id wanna slowplay my flushes.
In hand 1, what is your plan on a blank turn if he barrels? You mentioned this opponent had a turn barrel frequency on the lower side, but are you check/raising flop versus opponents you expect to barrel the turn more often?
i can see myself ch/r flop there more often as u mentionned, but ch/c flop and any turn can be fine as well with this hand.
It depends on how often my opponent barrels the river and what the turn card is, the more weaker hands in my range I have the more id wanna slowplay my flushes.
Thanks for your response! But I think you misinterpret my question. My question was about the flop and if I'm not mistaken, your're talking about the turn.
So what are your frequencies regarding c/c'ing and c/r'ing on the flop with the flushdraw? And what factors do you consider whether you want to c/c or c/r on the flop with the flushdraw?
Thanks for your response! But I think you misinterpret my question. My question was about the flop and if I'm not mistaken, your're talking about the turn.
So what are your frequencies regarding c/c'ing and c/r'ing on the flop with the flushdraw? And what factors do you consider whether you want to c/c or c/r on the flop with the flushdraw?
Oh ok, my bad. I generally dont check raise flush draws in situations where I dont represent a lot of value hands. I need to be able to have sets and 2 pair in my range to ch/r a lot of flushdraws.
