| SavX | Is this video lagging for anyone else? |  |
| Melchiades | You know that journey dude pretty well I think, very active 2+2'er. | |
| Melchiades | One sort of confusing hand. Bottom right table, UTG opened journey called UTG+1 and adsan 3-bet on the BTN, you look down at AQ in the SB. Seems like a really trivial fold to me. You say you would like to 4-bet since it shows a ton of strength. I agree that it does, but how does having AQ factor in? Would you be as likely to 4-bet A2o? Seems like they would be pretty similar in equity when you get it in. No one is gonna continue with AJ or probably even JJ with that kind of action. | |
| kemikar | sucks you got owned but good video and interesting hands | |
| noxx | I liked your general comparison of stars and pp :)
I stick to PP though :P | |
| domir | Pretty sick run, lol.
Had thought this very standard hand where you had KK and you 3bet in position, Villain calls OOP and flop comes Axx.
Action went you check behind and Villain lead turn & river, you called both, so very standard.
But in general when you check behind this flop you're hand is pretty much face up as TT-KK, weak Ace (if you somehow have it in 3bet range) or monster AA because you cbet like allways with Non showdown hand or AK/AQ/AJ.
So when villain bet turn & river after you check behind flop, I don't think villain has any reason to believe you fold hands like KK/QQ or weak Ace if you have even little bit of history like in this hand you had. So isn't this poor place to bluff when you aren't folding KK ?
I think that major time villain shows AJ or better.
Thoughts ? | |
| bancomat | its lagging / interrupting in some spots ? i tried to watch stream windows | |
| Razboynik | You got hammered on like a tent peg....!
I wish I could be so chilled when losing. | |
| TheLeakyFaucet | Every vid I watch is you making comparisons between a site and party.. And how you are always defending party saying how tough it is there. It gets kinda old | |
| tedtodd | Love your vids! Stars>Party | |
| Melchiades | I don't think he says it's tougher, just different. | |
| SEABEAST | domir:
yeah, you are right that you are turning your hand faceup.
basically the choice is between checking behind and making your hand easier to get to showdown, or betting the flop because of balancing your range and not turning your hand faceup.
against an opponent who will stay in line i agree with what you said, and i think betting the flop is better, but against guys that don't play standard, and might either bet the turn and river as a bluff, or checkraise the flop as a bluff, i prefer to just check behind and call down.
i felt like he was out of line and aggro enough that he would be likely to pounce on weakness.
it's kind of a catch 22 thing because if he's good, he should be able to read my hand and only bet with an ace or better, but if i thought he was good, i would have just bet the flop. | |
| SEABEAST | melchiades: yeah i think you're mostly right, but it does matter a little bit because of card removal (obv you know this) and also i will actually 4-bet/call there sometimes vs the threebettor (not the original raiser obv tho) since i'm only making the 4-bet if i think villain is super aggro, and if he knows i know that then he might still shove wide enough because he knows i know he might have a wide range and my play will look super strong etc etc.
i didn't really know adsanman well enough to do anything but fold, but the reason i paused i guess is that vs really spewy guys (scandis, russians) i will 4-bet there with AQ but not A2 because i feel i have to call allin. just used to at least considering the situation i guess. | |
| SEABEAST | leakyfaucet: fair enough! i probably do make party comparisons a little too much and i can see how that would be annoying for someone who wasn't able to play there.
i guess it's just that i'm known for playing on party, and im aware that a lot of people that like my videos like them because they also play on party, and that makes some of what i talk about especially relevant to them.
i will try make less comparisons, and fwiw i think a higher winrate is achievable on party than on stars or FT in general, but you also get more tough decisions on party too. | |
| Nielsio | Calling the overbet with K9 is a mistake imo.
He clearly loves his hand so it's either a big draw or made hand. And because he bet so much he'll talk himself into calling a raise with both (i.e. he'll snapcall it).
Furthermore: calling the overbet is going to make it much less likely for him to keep bluffing.
I would at least double his turn-bet. | |
| SEABEAST | he had jack high for a gutshot though?
and has enough left to bluff the river
i thought he often had nothing in that spot, and, not being results oriented, but the fact that he called the flop with jack high no draw just to donk-overbet bluff me on the turn kinda demonstrates in and of itself that he is bluffy enough that calling the turn is correct, doesnt it? | |
| domir | I'm agree with Seabeast on that K9 hand. He looked like he was going to shove the river on any card. Like he had clear plan -- insta overbet turn, leaving just about pot sized river shove.
Seabest:
Yeah agree that KK hand. Then it gets interesting when you know that villain thinks that its bad Bluff spot cause you aren't folding KK, so now he should bluff it knowing that you think he should have Ax+ cause its bad spot to bluff and now you are folding KK, lol. | |
| Nielsio | he had jack high for a gutshot though?
and has enough left to bluff the river
i thought he often had nothing in that spot, and, not being results oriented, but the fact that he called the flop with jack high no draw just to donk-overbet bluff me on the turn kinda demonstrates in and of itself that he is bluffy enough that calling the turn is correct, doesnt it?
This post is entirely results oriented. Not sure how to respond to that.. | |
| IcarusJam | I liked it all personally, i felt like you were clear headed and really broke down ranges well. US sites don't like u tho :-p | |
| SEABEAST | nielsio,
a) it's not results oriented, i already explained why it isn't - the fact of the matter is that it doesn't matter that his hand was J8o, it matters that he called the flop TO bluff the turn.
this means that his range on the turn is VERY WIDE because he is not betting because he has J8o, he is betting because he decided to try and take a pot from me, and if he will play J8o he will play many many other trash hands too.
and if, when he flops nothing with J8o he calls to bluff the turn because of how he perceives me, then he will do the same with all his other random trash, because he is making a play for game flow reasons not for anything related to his specific hand.
this means straight up that his range is massive here, which in turn means that his most frequent holding here, is a bluff.
that is basic logic, if he has chosen to play J8o this way he would have chosen to play 53s or QTo the same way too, and if his range is this wide then mathematically he is bluffing most of the time, because not very many hands are strong enough to legitimately put out a donk-overbet on K972.
can you see what i am saying?
sometimes results can tell us whether a play was correct or not, not because of what they held that one time, but because of what it tells us about how they were playing.
my read at the time was that his range was weak, and that he would bluff the river.
it's not important that i was right that one time, but it is important that with extrapolation we can see from his holding that my line was correct.
b) i have noticed from your posts that you make some extrapolations of your own sometimes, specifically you seem to assume that your opponents are usually making plays based in sound logic, that their plays will always make sense.
you gotta understand that bad players are sometimes simply bad - they aren't making slightly flawed small mistakes, or getting wrong reads, or whatever... they are sometimes just spewing out random actions without *really* thinking about what or understanding what they're doing. | |
| ladymuck | I noticed you opened the SB (blind on blind) with a wide range, can you discuss your strategy for theses B.O.B. situations? | |
| XTR1k | I like this one a lot | |
| XTR1k | Could you go more into detail about that 58 hand you b/3b shoved on Qx96? Somehow I always want to cut myself, when my only reasoning is "I just dont believe him" when we´re not too deep in the match yet and I lack of solid reads on villian. | |
| SEABEAST | I noticed you opened the SB (blind on blind) with a wide range, can you discuss your strategy for theses B.O.B. situations?
sure. basically it just depends how the player in the bb plays.
if they are really tight, the type not to put pressure on you, multitabling nit type thing, then you sometimes wanna open 100% of hands just to steal. like on ipoker where there are a lot of 16/12 guys that would never really threebet a hand worse than AT or KJ, and will fold connectors and stuff, you probably want to open all hands.
if they are really laggy and will threebet you a lot, then you want to open a much tighter range, so that you can continue vs a threebet a fairly high amount of the time he threebets you. he is gonna resteal enough that pure stealing won't really be profitable, so you mostly want to open hands you have some kind of interest in, and hope he doesn't adjust (because then his threebet frequency will be too high vs your range).
if they are really loose passive fish type guy, then you don't want to open stuff that plays really badly postflop because they will often call preflop and then call flops, but you will want to open anything that does play ok postflop, for obvious reasons. so i would always open stuff like 98o, or T7s, but not K2o 83s or any real trash.
obviously most of the time players fall somewhere in between these categories, but it's just a sliding scale depending on how often they will threebet, fold, or call. | |
| SEABEAST | Could you go more into detail about that 58 hand you b/3b shoved on Qx96? Somehow I always want to cut myself, when my only reasoning is "I just dont believe him" when we´re not too deep in the match yet and I lack of solid reads on villian.
yeah that was probably bad. i just felt like he was representing so few hands, and was playing very loose, whereas i was playing pretty aggressive...
so i thought he might just have been trying to take it from me on the turn cos he didn't have showdown value himself, but he thought i was FOS.
on that board there were so few hands that could genuinely raise the turn, but you are definitely right that making those plays without a good read is usually a bad idea.
most of the time you gotta just let him have it the first time, make a mental note and then pay special attention to what he does in future hands. | |
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| jurrr | Good video, thanks for turning on the 4-color deck. HUD would have been nice tho.
Every vid I watch is you making comparisons between a site and party.. And how you are always defending party saying how tough it is there. It gets kinda old
imo the comparisons are well worth it. I like very much how Jay compares the different sites. | |
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