| Unknown Soldier |
about 24 min in i misread the action (guy spikes a Q on riv and value bets i think) doesn't change the discussion much except we can't be sure that he won't stab the river after stabbing the turn.
and like 49 mins in i say raise less v. shortstackers, i meant to say raise to a lesser amount. you can prob steal their blinds quite a bit |
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| malfaire |
First of all, sick vid. I really don't like Party vids as much as Stars / FTP vids, but always really enjoy yours.
1. 14:00 -- we flop the set (55, i think) OTB against a spewy player. I like your logic on why we can play this fast. If we decide to play it slow, I'd assume that we'd generally react the same (flat call the turn) on the majority of turns and let the villain commit himself more? I will sometimes opt to play sets on dry flops such as these IP slow, but I feel when I raise the turn it feels like I'm always repping exactly what I have (e.g., maybe I'm just not bluff-raising in spots such as this often enough / raising non-"nut" hands for value). So, IF we decided to flop call, how would you proceed to a bet on the turn with various cards?
2. 20:45, we raise CO with 77, BTN flats, and we get squeezed. you mention that if the BTN were full you'd consider reshipping your 77 (either 4bet/calling or 4BAI). Assuming those same stacks, would you be taking the exact same line with all of 88+? Would you ever flat QQ+ and encourage the BTN to come along if we feel he's a weaker player? Just curious what your other options would be (and if for those 88+ hands if you'd prefer either 4bet/calling vs. 4BAI).
3. First of all, I'd never have the balls to make that call, but I liked your logic and how you came to the conclusion of why we can call here. You make a couple notable conclusions from this hand:
1. We can/should be double barreling this villain more often. This I agree with.
2. In hindsight we like this call even more given the fact that he gets to the river with a wider-than originally perceived range. This I don't agree with (likely because I don't understand it fully). Even though we can make the distinction that villain bet that very polarized spot with the nuts, how can we make the assumption that if the river didn't come with a 6 or J that he'd be making the same bet? I don't think we can make this particular adjustment given we don't have the information -- we're simply assuming that he'd continue his aggression in this spot. Are you considering his perception of our range when you made this statement (our hand looks like 67, 88, JT-AT, JJ)?
Keep those vids coming :) |
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| zwoop |
What is back raising? |
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| Fuzzy Logic |
Where an opponent calls an earlier bet or raise and then re-raises a squeeze.
Say 3 players, A,B and C. A raises to 3BB's, B flat calls, C reraises to 10BB's, A folds and B shoves for 50BB's. B has now back raised |
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| malfaire |
gad -- did i miss the back raise spot? anyone have that time-stamp in the vid? |
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| Unknown Soldier |
gad -- did i miss the back raise spot? anyone have that time-stamp in the vid?
51 mins in, getting to your other post now :) |
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| Unknown Soldier |
First of all, sick vid. I really don't like Party vids as much as Stars / FTP vids, but always really enjoy yours.
glad you liked it!
1. 14:00 -- we flop the set (55, i think) OTB against a spewy player. I like your logic on why we can play this fast. If we decide to play it slow, I'd assume that we'd generally react the same (flat call the turn) on the majority of turns and let the villain commit himself more? I will sometimes opt to play sets on dry flops such as these IP slow, but I feel when I raise the turn it feels like I'm always repping exactly what I have (e.g., maybe I'm just not bluff-raising in spots such as this often enough / raising non-"nut" hands for value). So, IF we decided to flop call, how would you proceed to a bet on the turn with various cards?
depends on the turn, if draws come along think i'd just raise again, if it's still really dry might as well continue with my plan of slowplaying though
2. 20:45, we raise CO with 77, BTN flats, and we get squeezed. you mention that if the BTN were full you'd consider reshipping your 77 (either 4bet/calling or 4BAI). Assuming those same stacks, would you be taking the exact same line with all of 88+? Would you ever flat QQ+ and encourage the BTN to come along if we feel he's a weaker player? Just curious what your other options would be (and if for those 88+ hands if you'd prefer either 4bet/calling vs. 4BAI).
id consider 77 and 99 to be pretty close in q. a few situations, this being one of them. So I would not do anything different with 99 given 100b stacks (I would have stacked off with 99 here though as obv 99 > 77). I would flat QQ+ sometimes too for the exact reason you mentioned. I'd be more inclined to 4b JJ, but i'd sometimes call and again for TT and so on.
3. First of all, I'd never have the balls to make that call, but I liked your logic and how you came to the conclusion of why we can call here.
sometimes you just got to put your money in! :)
You make a couple notable conclusions from this hand:
1. We can/should be double barreling this villain more often. This I agree with.
2. In hindsight we like this call even more given the fact that he gets to the river with a wider-than originally perceived range. This I don't agree with (likely because I don't understand it fully). Even though we can make the distinction that villain bet that very polarized spot with the nuts, how can we make the assumption that if the river didn't come with a 6 or J that he'd be making the same bet? (1) I don't think we can make this particular adjustment given we don't have the information -- we're simply assuming that he'd continue his aggression in this spot. Are you considering his perception of our range when you made this statement (our hand looks like 67, 88, JT-AT, JJ)? (2)
(1) excellent point! This is a concept I feel a lot of players don't understand. And the truth is we can't really, but we can only go off the information we have and take that information to either mean it's more likely, less likely, or irrelevant. I felt it was more likely because his range is going to be wide at the river because of his insanely loose flop calling range, and so naturally there will be more combos of air, and since there aren't many combos of his value betting range we can go for the hero call. If it turns out he only makes those bets with the nuts then I will adjust (and will know that there won't be many bluffs in his range), but we can only go on the information at the time. The information I got from the river was that he was very splashy and I think a fair assumption from that is that he will bluff a reasonable amount. If I carried on with the session I would have picked up more things I'm sure.
(2) it was in my mind I'm sure, I naturally think about that kind of thing, and think it favors a call more than a fold.
Keep those vids coming :)
will do! :) |
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| malfaire |
great vid with some tough spots and good analysis |
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| freekie |
i like the theory behind this call, i just dont like the call...
the board does not change much after the turn, yet he decides to barrel again BIG. You just sat down and have no history, this is a clear fold without history imo
because i dont think he will barrel again without a read as a bluff.... and it would be a weird line/moment to think you will fold to a second barrel after the river blank |
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| Unknown Soldier |
i like the theory behind this call, i just dont like the call...
the board does not change much after the turn, yet he decides to barrel again BIG. (1) You just sat down and have no history, this is a clear fold without history imo
because i dont think he will barrel again without a read as a bluff.... and it would be a weird line/moment to think you will fold to a second barrel after the river blank (2)
(1) The fact that the board didn't change makes me want to call more because draws missed.
(2)how do you know what he's thinking? He's a complete unknown, and his line suggests that he isn't a thinking player, most tags wouldn't c/c then lead unless they his something on the turn. People do weird things, his line was strange and didn't make a lot of sense, so i decided to look him up. Also the showdown gave me a lot of information on the player and I'll be able to use that to play better against him, you have to take that into account too. |
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| bancomat |
hey. in the very first hand u said u would fold KJs on the button too vs an UTG raiser.
i saw a video by aejones and he said he 3bets KJ vs an early opener.
how should i interpret this ?
i think the only reason is because early pos openers on american sites ( PS/FT) vs european sites opens are wider or ?
thanks |
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| actionjacson |
great stuff, keep up the quality vids |
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| Unknown Soldier |
ewww i wouldn't 3b. I wasn't aware that there was a huge difference between utg opening standards at euro/us sites. Either call or fold for me and since i didnt know anything about the guy i chose to fold. |
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| aejones |
hey. in the very first hand u said u would fold KJs on the button too vs an UTG raiser.
i saw a video by aejones and he said he 3bets KJ vs an early opener.
how should i interpret this ?
i think the only reason is because early pos openers on american sites ( PS/FT) vs european sites opens are wider or ?
thanks
IF I did say that, there's no way that's my standard, and I'm positive I didn't say it was. I probably said that sometimes I do it as a bluff because it gets really good respect, and does pretty well vs his calling range (primarily small pocket pairs). |
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| bancomat |
i did not say thats ur standard. i said that u told "i like to 3bet KJ vs ep opener" so thats why i was wondering how to interpret this.
thanks |
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| Anthony18 |
Great video US! Keep them coming! |
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| Melchiades |
A little over 40 mins. Hand with fishrules and Rybka. Rybka raises flop and fishrules calls. Turn goes check/check. Board comes out JT8-9-6. How would you like a CR by fishrules on the river there? Rybka hardly ever has a Q and I can't imagine he bet/calls a set there. |
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| Anthony18 |
Minute 2: You raised 86o OTB table on the right. You cbet and double barrel the flush card. And you say that you feel a double barrel is profitable here since his range is weak given his snap c/c on the flop. But aren't too many FDs in his check/calling range on the flop since this quick c/c is usually a weak made hand or a draw to make it a profitable DB card (the third diamond)? |
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| Unknown Soldier |
A little over 40 mins. Hand with fishrules and Rybka. Rybka raises flop and fishrules calls. Turn goes check/check. Board comes out JT8-9-6. How would you like a CR by fishrules on the river there? Rybka hardly ever has a Q and I can't imagine he bet/calls a set there.
that would be pretty sexy |
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| Unknown Soldier |
Minute 2: You raised 86o OTB table on the right. You cbet and double barrel the flush card. And you say that you feel a double barrel is profitable here since his range is weak given his snap c/c on the flop. But aren't too many FDs in his check/calling range on the flop since this quick c/c is usually a weak made hand or a draw to make it a profitable DB card (the third diamond)?
yeah, but there's also a lot of weak 1pr hands too. He snap checked the turn too, so that would have had something to do with it. Also, although the stats were old they indicated he was a bit splashy so I imagine that was in my mind too. |
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| larry31 |
hey U.S do you play on microgaming network? I would really like to see a video on that site! |
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| DaveBaker |
can you comment on the 49s 3 bet size? I've seen small 3 bets a lot in the past little bit and I'm not really sure how to interpret them.
I was really surprised with the AQo hand where you backraised. You mention that he will call with worse, but then are surprised about him having ATs there, what kind of hands did u think he would call with? I didnt think he would show up with ATs there, maybe something like 77+ AQ+... iunno thats a new spot for me.
overal great vid! a lot of interesting spots came up and you went into depth explaining them. |
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| Unknown Soldier |
hey U.S do you play on microgaming network? I would really like to see a video on that site!
hey Larry, not at the moment, but I'm looking to try new sites so maybe I'll try there! |
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| Unknown Soldier |
can you comment on the 49s 3 bet size? I've seen small 3 bets a lot in the past little bit and I'm not really sure how to interpret them.
I think it has similar fold equity, it's cheaper and it leaves stacks shallower which is good because I'm ip.
I was really surprised with the AQo hand where you backraised. You mention that he will call with worse, but then are surprised about him having ATs there, what kind of hands did u think he would call with? I didnt think he would show up with ATs there, maybe something like 77+ AQ+... iunno thats a new spot for me.
overal great vid! a lot of interesting spots came up and you went into depth explaining them.
I was a bit surprised that he 3b in the 1st place because he had seemed to be kinda passive pf and that certainly isn't a good hand to 3b in that spot imo, but I wasn't overly surprised that he called once he 3b. Shoving is just our best option. I don't want to fold and calling wasn't too attractive because we are oop. It was technically a value shove because I do think people will call with worse in general, but a hand like 84s has good equity against us. The pot is pretty big now so taking it down now is a decent result. |
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| Genovia |
Really good vid, good disponibility, fast answers what else ? |
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