In this presentation video Isura discusses the importance of a training routine. Isura talks about several training techniques including mental rehearsal, multi-dimensional hand analysis and overall how to most efficiently and effectively use study time.
Reallllly important point about study time v playing time-- I often don't understand people bumhunting at midstakes, it doesn't make sense. You are almost SURELY going to up your hourly enough by playing regs at lower stakes, talking poker with someone smart, reading something about poker written by someone smart, or watching one of my videos.
Man, back in the day I was a legendary poker rat, and this video makes me remember so many things of the times when I never missed a single strat post in MSNL or HSNL, such a high % of my 10k+ posts on 2p2 is strategy. Much less nowadays obviously, but a crazy amount back in the day (even when I was not that good and liked to get yelled at).
One of the best videos on any site in a long time. Would love if other pros made one each like this and/or if Isura would do more of this type of stuff since he seems to know what he is talking about. Also, thanks a lot for the names of those programs, pokerstove does take too much time.
Reallllly important point about study time v playing time-- I often don't understand people bumhunting at midstakes, it doesn't make sense. You are almost SURELY going to up your hourly enough by playing regs at lower stakes, talking poker with someone smart, reading something about poker written by someone smart, or watching one of my videos.
Man, back in the day I was a legendary poker rat, and this video makes me remember so many things of the times when I never missed a single strat post in MSNL or HSNL, such a high % of my 10k+ posts on 2p2 is strategy. Much less nowadays obviously, but a crazy amount back in the day (even when I was not that good and liked to get yelled at).
I haven't watched/listened to this video yet, but I agree with the part of how people should spend more time learning the game. Now I'm all for that, but frankly there aren't many people out there left who are good and willing to share the information with the rising stars. Most of 2p2 strat has gone to shit due to the good hsnl players creating their own AIM networks and talking to each other via other channels, and the only thing left is recallme making 5 threads a day where no serious input is given.(http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19/high-stakes-pl-nl/both-us-can-only-have-third-nuts-493136/)
MSNL forums have very few good posters anyway, and they aren't very eager to make contact with others. I mean, maybe I haven't looked around hard enough but most of the training sites have gone to shit anyway (CR and DC come to mind), and there are very few posters even here who's advice you can take as gold.
I've PM'ed some people on the forums and in most cases I haven't even received a reply, and I can't really blame them - there isn't really much to gain, if anything, from mentoring someone and putting the time you could be spending on playing yourself or doing whatever, into explaining someone some basic concepts. Now I like to think I've moved past the basic concepts section, yet I'm a struggling msnl player with a lot of potential (no doubt baby) and a lot of interest in talking with different people about the game.
if anyone who reads this and isn't fucking terrible then def. hit me up via PM or something !
I haven't watched/listened to this video yet, but I agree with the part of how people should spend more time learning the game. Now I'm all for that, but frankly there aren't many people out there left who are good and willing to share the information with the rising stars. Most of 2p2 strat has gone to shit due to the good hsnl players creating their own AIM networks and talking to each other via other channels, and the only thing left is recallme making 5 threads a day where no serious input is given.(http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19/high-stakes-pl-nl/both-us-can-only-have-third-nuts-493136/)
MSNL forums have very few good posters anyway, and they aren't very eager to make contact with others. I mean, maybe I haven't looked around hard enough but most of the training sites have gone to shit anyway (CR and DC come to mind), and there are very few posters even here who's advice you can take as gold.
I've PM'ed some people on the forums and in most cases I haven't even received a reply, and I can't really blame them - there isn't really much to gain, if anything, from mentoring someone and putting the time you could be spending on playing yourself or doing whatever, into explaining someone some basic concepts. Now I like to think I've moved past the basic concepts section, yet I'm a struggling msnl player with a lot of potential (no doubt baby) and a lot of interest in talking with different people about the game.
if anyone who reads this and isn't fucking terrible then def. hit me up via PM or something !
/endrant
Great vid. Most of the things mentioned I already do on a routine basis without me consciously scheduling them out. Wish this video came out when I first started playing cuz it took me a while to figure out the "training" part of poker!!
And desire, the information is out there for people willing to become winning poker players.
If you apply the hand/equity exercises Isura mentions in this video and constantly question plays, you'll be able to evaluate hands as well as other people's analysis of them yourself.
Excellent video. An eye opener of what it takes to be a winner at all levels and really shows
how much more I need to work on my game and how much more I need to learn. RESPECT.
Finally watched the video, liked it a lot, slightly disappointed that you didn't make it to discussing my hand which I saw was opened under tabs. Pokerazor seemed like an useful tool, downloaded it right after and will see how cool it is soon. Also got some PMs already regarding my earlier rant as well.
Excellent video. An eye opener of what it takes to be a winner at all levels and really shows
how much more I need to work on my game and how much more I need to learn. RESPECT.
Thanks!
Finally watched the video, liked it a lot, slightly disappointed that you didn't make it to discussing my hand which I saw was opened under tabs. Pokerazor seemed like an useful tool, downloaded it right after and will see how cool it is soon. Also got some PMs already regarding my earlier rant as well.
good stuff
Ya, I had a few interesting hands saved. Unfortunately we can't go over 1 hr for videos (technical reasons), and I had no idea how long this video would take.
You talked about reviewing your session when you have a clear mind. Don't you think that by delaying the review you will lose some information (state of mind, emotions), that you would not have lost had you reviewed the session immediately?
You talked about reviewing your session when you have a clear mind. Don't you think that by delaying the review you will lose some information (state of mind, emotions), that you would not have lost had you reviewed the session immediately?
This is partially true. OTOH delaying increases objectivity. A note I should have made in video is that
1) Mental rehearsal exercise - Can use after a session. Consider it a checkup of the key pots.
2) Multi dim hand analysis - Day later or when you feel fresh and detached from results.
I try to download the pokerazor tutorial and got only the volume w/o the video, did anyone else have this problem? or does anyone have a link to a working video?
Ha yeah, I got warned by a mod when I was starting up because I was posting too many hands... I was like recallme but with actual hands that weren't terrible to post
Hey great vid. I'm really trying to work on my game a lot and this was a perfect video for that. I admit I have been browsing forums all day sometimes. I kinda disagree to an extent that this is a waste of time. For someone like me who doesn't have the best thought process, I think this is very helpful to post hands or to read other posts from better plrs and look at their thought processes. HH review is something I did kinda casually did but will def put into my routine so I can be like Phil Ivey:) I also heard that physical exercise is very important too? I think it has something to do w/ pumping blood and oxygen to the brain.
Isura, great video! You have changed my perspective on training for poker. I always thought it was all about reading and rereading poker books, but I can see how this is a passive way to study. Now, I want to "train." I want to dissect my own hands, and learn from my mistakes. Had a few questions:
1. what program do you use to study your hands? I currently have poker tracker and use its hand player.
2. when viewing your hands, do you view the entire session, or do you choose a certain criteria, like losing hands, hands seen on flop, winning hands, most money hands or losing hands, etc.?
3. When viewing a past hand, what things are you looking for. You did mention, look for different lines and different perspectives, anything else? Again I'm new to this hand reviewing training system, and am thinking about how I could have played the hand differently to gain more value or spew less. Any additional thoughts would be appreciated.
4. Lastly, I'm new to the site, and after seeing these videos, I was surprised at the different vocabulary in which I haven't seen in poker books, i.e. polarization, donk bet, etc. I just downloaded Ryan Fee's 6 max NL strategy, and was wondering if there was a place on the site that had a list of more writings. Thanks again.
Isura, great video! You have changed my perspective on training for poker. I always thought it was all about reading and rereading poker books, but I can see how this is a passive way to study. Now, I want to "train." I want to dissect my own hands, and learn from my mistakes. Had a few questions:
1. what program do you use to study your hands? I currently have poker tracker and use its hand player.
2. when viewing your hands, do you view the entire session, or do you choose a certain criteria, like losing hands, hands seen on flop, winning hands, most money hands or losing hands, etc.?
3. When viewing a past hand, what things are you looking for. You did mention, look for different lines and different perspectives, anything else? Again I'm new to this hand reviewing training system, and am thinking about how I could have played the hand differently to gain more value or spew less. Any additional thoughts would be appreciated.
4. Lastly, I'm new to the site, and after seeing these videos, I was surprised at the different vocabulary in which I haven't seen in poker books, i.e. polarization, donk bet, etc. I just downloaded Ryan Fee's 6 max NL strategy, and was wondering if there was a place on the site that had a list of more writings. Thanks again.
Isura, great video! You have changed my perspective on training for poker. I always thought it was all about reading and rereading poker books, but I can see how this is a passive way to study. Now, I want to "train." I want to dissect my own hands, and learn from my mistakes. Had a few questions:
1. what program do you use to study your hands? I currently have poker tracker and use its hand player. Holdem Manager. The process is more important than the software though. I have friends who still review text hand histories!
2. when viewing your hands, do you view the entire session, or do you choose a certain criteria, like losing hands, hands seen on flop, winning hands, most money hands or losing hands, etc.? 90% of the time I sort by biggest losing and winning pots. I try to always look at losing pots, but sometimes after a tough session I ignore them and focus on the positive hands. Helps with my confidence. Sometimes I do a big review. I choose a block of 20-30k hands, and filter by different criteria like 3-bet pots, river decisions, etc.
3. When viewing a past hand, what things are you looking for. You did mention, look for different lines and different perspectives, anything else? Again I'm new to this hand reviewing training system, and am thinking about how I could have played the hand differently to gain more value or spew less. Any additional thoughts would be appreciated. Alternative lines. Should we c/r bluff with our showdown value hand on the river? Barrel turn AND river instead of pot controlling or giving up?
Consider your ranges for different lines. What other hands do you play this way? Are you always bluffing or always valuebetting in a spot? Will your opponent exploit that?
Alternative bet sizing. Especially on the river. But also you can start working in turn overbets as an example.
How to play other hands in the same spot. Great thinking exercise. What's the optimal play with TPGK, 3rd pair, the nuts?
What does this hand tell you about your opponents thought process? That level is he one? His ranges? There's a ton of implicit information out there, it's your job to pick it up.
4. Lastly, I'm new to the site, and after seeing these videos, I was surprised at the different vocabulary in which I haven't seen in poker books, i.e. polarization, donk bet, etc. I just downloaded Ryan Fee's 6 max NL strategy, and was wondering if there was a place on the site that had a list of more writings. Thanks again. robby's link is good. Also search for the "The Well" threads on 2+2 small stakes NLHE forums.
