Greg thanks for the vid, I really do like this format.
Some questions:
at 17 minutes: you are 200bb effective with CO opener (bottom left table), BB is a weak / donkish player (110bb). You chose to 3bet KJo from the BTN.
Can you explain a bit why you like to 3bet in this spot (I really liked the way you described your thoughts on squeezing KQ deep from the BB).
Earlier in the vid you flat ATo BB vs BTN, 200bb deep on that same table. I understand what you're doing but when the flop comes 34Jdd (you didn't have a diamond) you snap fold. It feels like a fine flop to play back at. What's your general plan with AT OOP 200bb deep. It feels like a trouble hand vs a strong player.
at 36:15 you get dealt K9o on the BB (table 1)
CO posts the BB and checks, Paidinfull isolates from the BTN and SB just flats.
In other vids where you are playing 100bb stacks you would be eager to squeeze here with about any 2 (92o :D). In this spot, you fold and don't give much thought to it. Is this an adaptation you make because of stack sizes? What type of hands would you like to put into your squeezing range here? If you had a hand like 99/TT/ ATs would you rather call and play the 4way pot or squeeze it up?
at 51:00 minutes you are playing AK on table one UTG vs BTN.
Button holds A9s. If you would be the villain holding A9s, at what point in the hand would you let go of your ace (if at all)? I think he should fold the turn, but after he has called the turn and the flush rolls in, do you blame him for paying off the third? Seems like a great card for you to fire a third barrel to push him off his AJ/AQ hand.
Greg thanks for the vid, I really do like this format.
Some questions:
at 17 minutes: you are 200bb effective with CO opener (bottom left table), BB is a weak / donkish player (110bb). You chose to 3bet KJo from the BTN.
Can you explain a bit why you like to 3bet in this spot (I really liked the way you described your thoughts on squeezing KQ deep from the BB).
KJ isn't a hand that is strong enough to completely change the way I play it (in other words, invite a third player into the pot) unless he is just donating money away. The primary power (and profit) of my play comes from 3betting in position deep, at least moreso than the fact that I have KJo when I am 3betting there. Therefore, flatting in hopes that someone else enters the pot shift the focus to what my hand physically is more. We get HU more often than not, and now I am without the initiative. Even if the BB overcalls, I am stuck to playing my hand/my equity a lot more often than taking away tons of pots.
Earlier in the vid you flat ATo BB vs BTN, 200bb deep on that same table. I understand what you're doing but when the flop comes 34Jdd (you didn't have a diamond) you snap fold. It feels like a fine flop to play back at. What's your general plan with AT OOP 200bb deep. It feels like a trouble hand vs a strong player.
It might be, but my equity is pretty low. Usually when you are deep, your primary tools of combat will switch to c/r + a turn bet, as opposed to 100bb deep where a pure c/r is more effective. Therefore, I would make the argument your overall equity vs. a range is more important since you will be seeing a turn more often. Regardless, a good board to c/r means that I should still be c/f it often.
at 36:15 you get dealt K9o on the BB (table 1)
CO posts the BB and checks, Paidinfull isolates from the BTN and SB just flats.
In other vids where you are playing 100bb stacks you would be eager to squeeze here with about any 2 (92o :D). In this spot, you fold and don't give much thought to it. Is this an adaptation you make because of stack sizes? What type of hands would you like to put into your squeezing range here? If you had a hand like 99/TT/ ATs would you rather call and play the 4way pot or squeeze it up?
My game has shifted and my image is a lot worse than it used to be. Combined with the history with paidinfull, I think I am getting little credit. Of course, you are right in the sense that the deeper we are the less useful a squeeze is.
With stronger (99/TT/ATs) type hands, I still like the idea of squeezing because I would expect for someone to adjust by calling me lighter as opposed to 4betting me more often. Therefore, wider value range, more narrow bluff range.
at 51:00 minutes you are playing AK on table one UTG vs BTN.
Button holds A9s. If you would be the villain holding A9s, at what point in the hand would you let go of your ace (if at all)? I think he should fold the turn, but after he has called the turn and the flush rolls in, do you blame him for paying off the third? Seems like a great card for you to fire a third barrel to push him off his AJ/AQ hand.
He was a fish (or, at least, a non-reg) so I'm not sure exactly how to dissect his play other than he had an ace ;). The turn is probably the theoretical fold spot though.
On the off chance you ever read this thread again, I'm going to have to call you out a little bit on your AxKc 3 street bluff on the 4c3c3dTc4h board.
Picking up on the Tc turn, you bet again $240 into $351 which is cool. The reason it's cool is that as you mention after betting into a 4 way pot on the flop you're repping extreme strength (although your analysis of your own perceived range as flushes, boats and quads is surely a bit off. The whole reason this bet is cool is that his range is comprised largely of 55-99 with or without a club that are going to have an extremely tough time continuing, but for balance sake I can't imagine you not betting QQ+ and probably AT+).
But now is where I take some issue with the hand. You say that this is a spot where if you fire two you really have to fire three, and while there are definitely spots like this I really don't think this is one of them. (I actually think it's a rare spot that firing two is good and three is bad.)
Given you are credibly repping a very strong range I disagree that it seems likely that he is auto peeling the turn with 7c7x and hands of that nature. He can't have a T unless he went for a weird float with like ATdd, while QQ+ is almost always going to be squeezing pre. Due to stacks it is conceivable he has JcJx, and that will peel the turn given you could potentially be value betting a T, but I feel that the rest of his range on the river is made up so heavily of flushes/boats/quads.
On the river, especially given your bet size of $510 into $831, he's not folding a flush. The 4h river leaves only one combo of 44 for him to have, but clearly does the same for you. He might think about it for a second, but very unlikely he folds 56cc. My principal problem stems from my thoughts that 56cc is very close to the bottom of his range for arriving on the river in the first place. I think the one hand that will get the river and likely fold is JcJx, but the rest of the range that you're trying to produce a fold from (99-55cx) I would argue is quite unlikely to get this far. If he's calling close to the bottom of his range for getting to the river ie. 56cc, obviously a 3rd barrel is bad.
The biggest thing is your contradicting point that you liked your play because he claimed he was considering raising top full on the turn, meaning he correctly interpreted your range as very strong. If, however, he thought your range was so strong, why do you think he is peeling the necessary amount of 55-99cx hands on the turn that are required in his river range for a three barrel bluff to be good?
On the off chance you ever read this thread again, I'm going to have to call you out a little bit on your AxKc 3 street bluff on the 4c3c3dTc4h board.
Picking up on the Tc turn, you bet again $240 into $351 which is cool. The reason it's cool is that as you mention after betting into a 4 way pot on the flop you're repping extreme strength (although your analysis of your own perceived range as flushes, boats and quads is surely a bit off. The whole reason this bet is cool is that his range is comprised largely of 55-99 with or without a club that are going to have an extremely tough time continuing, but for balance sake I can't imagine you not betting QQ+ and probably AT+).
But now is where I take some issue with the hand. You say that this is a spot where if you fire two you really have to fire three, and while there are definitely spots like this I really don't think this is one of them. (I actually think it's a rare spot that firing two is good and three is bad.)
Given you are credibly repping a very strong range I disagree that it seems likely that he is auto peeling the turn with 7c7x and hands of that nature. He can't have a T unless he went for a weird float with like ATdd, while QQ+ is almost always going to be squeezing pre. Due to stacks it is conceivable he has JcJx, and that will peel the turn given you could potentially be value betting a T, but I feel that the rest of his range on the river is made up so heavily of flushes/boats/quads.
On the river, especially given your bet size of $510 into $831, he's not folding a flush. The 4h river leaves only one combo of 44 for him to have, but clearly does the same for you. He might think about it for a second, but very unlikely he folds 56cc. My principal problem stems from my thoughts that 56cc is very close to the bottom of his range for arriving on the river in the first place. I think the one hand that will get the river and likely fold is JcJx, but the rest of the range that you're trying to produce a fold from (99-55cx) I would argue is quite unlikely to get this far. If he's calling close to the bottom of his range for getting to the river ie. 56cc, obviously a 3rd barrel is bad.
The biggest thing is your contradicting point that you liked your play because he claimed he was considering raising top full on the turn, meaning he correctly interpreted your range as very strong. If, however, he thought your range was so strong, why do you think he is peeling the necessary amount of 55-99cx hands on the turn that are required in his river range for a three barrel bluff to be good?
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Your post is very well thought out and I feel bad answering it so shortly but it's tough for me to elaborate too much:
People play differently when in a hand compared to when analyzing it. I think I did a pretty bad job explaining the hand though.
Basically, he has a group of hands he should fold on the turn, and many of those hands (the mid pocket pairs) will call turn in the heat of the moment. I equate this phenomenon to someone eating too many pieces of candy. They know they should stop eating the whole box (fold the turn), but they keep going because it's all right in front of them (call the turn). Then, only when they realize the box is 75% empty (when I bet the river I expect them to say "oh shit he really does have it what am I doing") do they quickly close the box up and put it away (fold river).
Your post is very well thought out and I feel bad answering it so shortly but it's tough for me to elaborate too much:
People play differently when in a hand compared to when analyzing it. I think I did a pretty bad job explaining the hand though.
Basically, he has a group of hands he should fold on the turn, and many of those hands (the mid pocket pairs) will call turn in the heat of the moment. I equate this phenomenon to someone eating too many pieces of candy. They know they should stop eating the whole box (fold the turn), but they keep going because it's all right in front of them (call the turn). Then, only when they realize the box is 75% empty (when I bet the river I expect them to say "oh shit he really does have it what am I doing") do they quickly close the box up and put it away (fold river).
Ha well played. Yeah I think if you focused on that kind of analogy it would have been a very interesting and valuable discussion. I'll try my best to falsely remember it as though you did :)
