MY name is greg and i live in a van down by the river! motivational speaker extraodinaire! Great lucid explanations of ideas, even with levels above thinking compared to my pea-sized button pressin brain, yet it really Makes me want to try harder to improve my game. awesome vid... No Limit Holds Em down
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Greg, you say that we don't have to give utter_milked's range more respect, because he's 100bb deep vs HenryII, whereas our range looks stronger because we squeeze OOP 230bb deep. But imo there's a difference, because we're OOP and he's got the button. If I understand you correctly, you're saying that his range is stronger, the shallower stacks are...
cliff notes:
Our range becomes stronger, because it looks like we're willing to play OOP 230bb deep.
His range becomes WIDER, because he's on the button 230bb deep.
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I also doubt wheter the small river c/r with QQ on AKJ is profitable, because he's calling way to often with a K after you've cheked the hand 3 times and he's getting 3:1 or something. ALlthough I'm not sure, because I obv haven't been in this exact situation.. just speaking from general experience with regs on 5/10
Greg, you say that we don't have to give utter_milked's range more respect, because he's 100bb deep vs HenryII, whereas our range looks stronger because we squeeze OOP 230bb deep. But imo there's a difference, because we're OOP and he's got the button. If I understand you correctly, you're saying that his range is stronger, the shallower stacks are...
cliff notes:
Our range becomes stronger, because it looks like we're willing to play OOP 230bb deep.
His range becomes WIDER, because he's on the button 230bb deep.
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Right, he will call with 90%+ of the hands he called with the first time around because he is IP vs our 230bb stack. My point is that his first call (when Henry raises) is determined by Henry's stack size, meaning it is his "standard" calling range. My point was that, if Henry was 250bb deep as well, I would like this play less because utter is calling wider there (maybe 85ss type hands because they are deep and he is in position). He won't have those hands because Henry is only 100bb deep though.
I also doubt wheter the small river c/r with QQ on AKJ is profitable, because he's calling way to often with a K after you've cheked the hand 3 times and he's getting 3:1 or something. ALlthough I'm not sure, because I obv haven't been in this exact situation.. just speaking from general experience with regs on 5/10
I would disagree with this statement because I can and do (check my vids ;)) check an ace on that board. I think that he doesn't expect to get rebluffed, but either called light or hero folded.
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I would disagree with this statement because I can and do (check my vids ;)) check an ace on that board.
I can't recall seeing you check 3 times with an A on that board and I'd say you're losing a lot of value by doing so. Esp. on the river when Ax is the best hand 95% of the time and he might check back Kx. What would be your reasoning behind checking it all the way?
btw. I love watching your videos and obv have got great respect for your game AND the way you are able to explain your thought process during hands.:)
Greg your a great player and a good teacher but i gotta tell ya your vids are starting to drive me nuts. Around the 7 min mark, on the bottom left,you stop the video and talk 4 days about how you might flat call q-4s in a raised pot if the bb was a fish. you go on to describe how you would play post flop etc. First of all im not sure even given the ideal situation explained that you actually make a profit flatting q-4s here. Second, how about going into great detail about marginal siutations like this when the actual situation comes up? I enjoy your detailed thought process but i think you overdue it too often and it slows your videos down alot. Just a thought.
No questions about hands for me but I'd like to give a reaction on the format.
I think the explanation of the Q4s adds to the video. It is probably the part of the vid I remember best after 1 day. I think the Q4s is a type of hand that LAGs try to put in their game, either too often or without enough consideration (the theme of the vid). Obviously I had the same thought 'wow he just talked 5 mins about a potential play and then just clicks fold' but actually it's just refreshing to think about creative plays in a structured manner.
Same reasoning goes for the QQ mini raise on JAK x x board. I don't really mind whether or not it's profitable it's a nice little trick to punish thin vbets. That's something I liked throughout the whole video you're (check) raising rivers with very good reasons. Keep it up! I hope we'll get more vids like these :)
I can't recall seeing you check 3 times with an A on that board and I'd say you're losing a lot of value by doing so. Esp. on the river when Ax is the best hand 95% of the time and he might check back Kx. What would be your reasoning behind checking it all the way?
btw. I love watching your videos and obv have got great respect for your game AND the way you are able to explain your thought process during hands.:)
I didn't do it in this video specifically, but that's certainly a good spot for me to balance my range and check A4. On boards where the preflop raiser expects their opponent to call with lots of floats (pair + gutter, etc.), they cbet air less often because there is less folding equity. Therefore, checking means they are folding more often than normal, which means that the caller of the raise should be betting more often (and multiple streets) when checked to. Certainly checking an ace isn't our most frequent line with it, but it is a spot where I would recommend checking a hand of that strength more often than on other boards.
You do have a good point on the river, because I would expect them to bet the turn with air a decent amount. However, the combination of everyone multitabling plus imperfect play in general leads me to expect my opponent to say something along the lines of "OK table fifty what's going on here.... he checked THREE times? I'll take a stab"
Greg your a great player and a good teacher but i gotta tell ya your vids are starting to drive me nuts. Around the 7 min mark, on the bottom left,you stop the video and talk 4 days about how you might flat call q-4s in a raised pot if the bb was a fish. you go on to describe how you would play post flop etc. First of all im not sure even given the ideal situation explained that you actually make a profit flatting q-4s here. Second, how about going into great detail about marginal siutations like this when the actual situation comes up? I enjoy your detailed thought process but i think you overdue it too often and it slows your videos down alot. Just a thought.
Thanks for the feedback.
The main point of me talking for four days was to elaborate on the idea of how everyone is pretty decent at NLHE these days, and that general knowledge makes them think specific things in various spots. I would definitely recommend going back and listening to it again; it's not so much what specifically we have that I'm focusing on, but rather the relative strengths of our ranges on different types of boards, and how our opponents will react because of that.
I didn't do it in this video specifically, but that's certainly a good spot for me to balance my range and check A4. On boards where the preflop raiser expects their opponent to call with lots of floats (pair + gutter, etc.), they cbet air less often because there is less folding equity. Therefore, checking means they are folding more often than normal, which means that the caller of the raise should be betting more often (and multiple streets) when checked to. Certainly checking an ace isn't our most frequent line with it, but it is a spot where I would recommend checking a hand of that strength more often than on other boards.
Just curious what your your "standard" is when you get barrelled in that situation, both when the turn river brick off and when they make 4straights/get scary. Obv. opponent specific but say a good NL1000 reg that is moderately aggressive.
Yo Greg. I pmd u twice asking about coaching, but u didnt respond. Wats up? I need u to help me. If u are busy atm plz let me now, so I know wats up or maybe ask another one to coach me. U would be my favourite coach fwiw.
Yo Greg. I pmd u twice asking about coaching, but u didnt respond. Wats up? I need u to help me. If u are busy atm plz let me now, so I know wats up or maybe ask another one to coach me. U would be my favourite coach fwiw.
It doesn't count as twice because it was in the same day :p. I'll get back to you today.
Just curious what your your "standard" is when you get barrelled in that situation, both when the turn river brick off and when they make 4straights/get scary. Obv. opponent specific but say a good NL1000 reg that is moderately aggressive.
See, in order for me to really want to check in the first place I have to have some sort of an idea how my opponent will play. Remember, there are lots of hands that can continue, so that is an argument for firing flop/turn (you don't need to make your play tricky/balanced because they don't know enough about you, and you get value from weaker hands due to the drawiness of the board).
Therefore, I really enjoy checking here against some opponent whom I deem as reasonably aggressive, and who I will expect to try to get me off some mediocre/give up range. Essentially, the first requirement is that I believe he will notice the weakness of my range when I check in that spot without history of some sort. If I don't think this will happen, I'm betting. If I do think this to be the case, I'm c/c all the way on blanks, and I'll probably call down when flushes hit as well.
When you take a nonstandard line against an opponent you respect (or, at least, you deem it necessary to balance against), you should always look to show your hand down in ~0EV spots WHEN IT IS GOOD FOR YOUR RANGE.
Elaborating, this would be a spot where it would be good for my range. However, in a HU match, if I slowplayed AA/KK preflop, I would prefer not to show that down if possible in ~0EV, because it negatively skews my range to my opponent (discredits my 3bets more). So, I'll give up a few dollars in the specific hand EV to encourage/discourage my hand from being shown down.
