In this debut video for LeggoPoker Dan plays 4 deep ante tables of $400 NL 6-Max on Full Tilt. Dan introduces his strategy and approach to crush the mid stakes.
In the J9s hand when you cold called the 3bet. Isn't a little bit of contradiction between what you explained preflop and how you played postflop? You said that you got respect cold calling because thwy would put you on decent pairs , and that flop is probably one that decent pairs don't fold, therefore it would be terrible for him to bluff, and you still felt pretty confortable getting it in. Also the guy that 3bet the small ammount seemed like a weak player and those small 3bets from weak players usually mean AK or QQ+.
being nit picky - 33 mins with 57s you said you dont bet the turn because of pot to stack ratio... but you do actually bet the turn!
Yup, my bad I got a bit confused with the previous action when I paused the video.
In the J9s hand when you cold called the 3bet. Isn't a little bit of contradiction between what you explained preflop and how you played postflop? You said that you got respect cold calling because thwy would put you on decent pairs , and that flop is probably one that decent pairs don't fold, therefore it would be terrible for him to bluff, and you still felt pretty confortable getting it in. Also the guy that 3bet the small ammount seemed like a weak player and those small 3bets from weak players usually mean AK or QQ+.
Good point... I comment in the video that this particular hand wasn't the greatest example of cold calling a 3bet, given that the guy wasn't really a reg and he 3bet small and he had a smaller stack etc etc. So, essentially I called to play a pot in position with the fish, but elected to digress somewhat into a wider discussion on the merits of cold calling 3bets IP vs better opposition. There'll be better examples in future, promise :).
Just wanted to pop my head in and say that I watched ~10-15 minutes of this video (as I do all of our video producers that we're thinking about bringing on) and reviewed Dan's stats, forum activity, etc.
Dan plays differently than I do, and I don't agree with everything he does. However I think I'd be lying if I said that he doesn't do some things better than I do, especially since its been so long since I played mistakes 6 max. He wins a ridiculous amount without showdown, and I typically lose without showdown; so he's got that going for him, which is nice (Caddyshack reference, some of you may be too young to remember). Most importantly, every video producer at Leggo brings something to the table. Dan says a lot of really smart things in this video. I would suggest in advance that you take everything with a grain of salt (as you take everything in my videos, anyways-- and as you should take ALL poker advice, because in an evolving game very little is truly gospel).
However, if this video is half as good as Matt thinks it is, then it's twice as good as any video I've ever done.
Roughly 15min in you flat a 3bet oop w/36s. Are you really able to get away with calling this light oop?
It's close. I'm very comfortable with how I play these hands OOP, but in a vacuum the profitability probably starts from being marginally -EV 100bbs deep to being marginally +EV at 200bbs. I will say though that I never look at these spots in a pure vacuum, and I'm instead looking at the long game of becoming (in villain's eyes) the type of reg you don't go out of your way to mess with. Meekly folding 70% hands OOP or whatever is standard means you'll never develop the kind of image/ (aura?) that you should strive for when regs start 'staying out of your way'.
Watched about 15 mins and I'm not sure I should continue as this will either be ++++ev or ------ev for my game, don't think 0 ev is possible if I employ this style.
However it is very interesting to watch someone LAG it up so much. Nice work. I'll watch the rest when my head stops spinning.
man so many things in this video seem so counterintuitive to me like opening 63 and calling 3bets oop w a hand that weak and coldcalling 3bets w J9 but i guess there are more than a handful of ways to skin a cat.
grog reminds me a lot of a reg that played .5-1 1-2 and some 2-4NL fr on full tilt named NSRAFK. they both seem to be really spazzy and spew all over the place but sure enough they are winners in spite of swimming upstream against commonly held poker parameters of reason. i think these type of players obviously survive and sometimes thrive by winning so much dead money on the reg (to quote Kenny Powers) and absolutely having stacks cascade into their coffers when they do hit big bc their opponents remember all the things that seem spazzy like raise calling 63 pre or bet 4betting AQhi on a KK3 flop and calling off on the turn.
this is one sick vid.
but i'd like to read some (math) justifications for flatting 3bets oop w trash - then hoping the other guy is light and getting it in w 20-50% equity....
why 3betting hands like qk against a 50bb stack?
why call or raise hands w no equity like 43o, 52o, 72s?
also, do you have enough implieds to flat 4bets w 76 against a very tight and str8fwd player? (how about the math here?)
do you expect to have a huge edge vs multitabling regulars?
how long does it take them to adjust?
etc.
i really liked this vid, because it is sth different and is the first vid in a while that made me actually think and got me interested...
this is not a game you could play for 40k hands a month with the same guys everyday???
I noticed at some point you pasted like a template or something into your notes with a bunch of different categories. Would you mind discussing your general approach to note taking? I feel like I'm really inefficient at this.
grogheadflow does this style get you into a huge variation swings ? I play 100bb poker a bit looser than average reg and already i get 25bi swings on any given month, so playing like that i would assume my swings go up to 50bi on a monthly bases. True or not?
So what you basically are stating is, ignore stats, handranges, absolute/relative strenght etc. etc. and act like a complete tard and us guys will make money?
Great to see a different approach to the game & one that has become so profitable for you. Will try to replicate your style in the near future although I think I will have the opposite outcome!
this is one sick vid.
but i'd like to read some (math) justifications for flatting 3bets oop w trash - then hoping the other guy is light and getting it in w 20-50% equity....
1) why 3betting hands like qk against a 50bb stack?
2) why call or raise hands w no equity like 43o, 52o, 72s?
3) also, do you have enough implieds to flat 4bets w 76 against a very tight and str8fwd player? (how about the math here?)
4) do you expect to have a huge edge vs multitabling regulars?
5) how long does it take them to adjust?
etc.
6) i really liked this vid, because it is sth different and is the first vid in a while that made me actually think and got me interested...
this is not a game you could play for 40k hands a month with the same guys everyday???
1) Because a 50bb deep stack is not thinking; he'll fold his equity share a ton, flat worse often, and when he flats better he cedes the initiative and I win the pot with a bet or two.
2) All hands have *some* equity of course. The reason I can play weaker holdings is that I'm only going to go to showdown on terms favourable to me... if I don't think my hand is ahead at any point villain's going to have a hard time making it past 3 streets on a lot of boards vs me.
3) Purely looking at making a hand vs AA and taking it to showdown, possibly not. However a ton of the time 4bets are AK, and 2/3 times there is no A or K on the flop allowing me to take the pot away often. Other times, villain may have QQ and I take it away at some point on an ace or king high board. Other times, even tight and straightforward players 4bet junk after you apply enough pressure.
4) Yes. In fact, my winrate over the last 100k hands has easily been > 10 ptbb/100, and in the last 42k hands it's been 14 ptbb.
5) It varies, the important thing though is that forcing them to adjust puts you in control and takes them out of their comfort zone. Hence, maybe they're forced to defend 3 bets wider oop, or suddenly find themselves in a 4bet pot without a clue what to do. Essentially people's adjustments are always terrible and open them up to more exploitation. (note, I only play a max of 4 tables... its not a style that allows autopiloting)
6) I play 30k hands a month, yeah it is VS the same regs. The video was made when I was new to FTP, obviously with some reads I'd tone it down against some and ramp it up against others...
grog reminds me a lot of a reg that played .5-1 1-2 and some 2-4NL fr on full tilt named NSRAFK. they both seem to be really spazzy and spew all over the place but sure enough they are winners in spite of swimming upstream against commonly held poker parameters of reason. i think these type of players obviously survive and sometimes thrive by winning so much dead money on the reg (to quote Kenny Powers) and absolutely having stacks cascade into their coffers when they do hit big bc their opponents remember all the things that seem spazzy like raise calling 63 pre or bet 4betting AQhi on a KK3 flop and calling off on the turn.
That guy's only a small winner over a big sample... it's an important point though about getting paid whenever I hit any sort of hand. That kind of follows on from regs making bad adjustments...
Nice video sir!
One thing that struck me though that you defend holdings like 63 but fold suited aces when there is a raise and call before you.
Um, must have been a misclick, I wouldn't as standard...
Liked the video, lots to think about.
I noticed at some point you pasted like a template or something into your notes with a bunch of different categories. Would you mind discussing your general approach to note taking? I feel like I'm really inefficient at this.
I use HEM notes just because they're more user friendly. Then I paste this template in for every reg:
This gets you away from making one random note one time in the distant past 'bets small with top set on dry board' that frankly isn't useful and you'll never need to use. This way, each and every aspect of someones game you can categorise and easily refer to here....
great video
How is your adjustments to 100bb stacks regarding, 3bet, 3b call IP and OOP, 4b and call 4b etc.
Both OOP and IP, the deeper we are the lighter I'm flatting 3bets (especially with 84s type hands as opposed to J10os). As for flatting 4bets, 200bbs I do it with a lot of stuff, 100BBs I would do it with hands like KJs where PSR wise (it's likely to be around 1) I can open jam 10 hi boards etc.
Grog -
Does your style lead to insane swings? Do you keep a deeper bankroll at the level you're playing because of it?
Also, your plan with 36s OOP in the 3bet pot waas to CR small with bottom pair and then snap call a shove???????
Believe it or not, my style is actually lower variance than a 'standard' style. I know this because my showdown winnings are always hovering around breakeven, while my non showdown winnings are a 45 degree upwards angle with very little variance at all. Essentially, I'm not reliant on making hands, realising the equities of my hands etc in order to make money. This is what leads to high variance. Stealing a million and 1 small pots is a low variance style....
And as for the hand, yes of course I'd be snapping a shove. The premise of being able to get it in there is to potentially induce shoves from worse. FTP regs shove AQ/ random overcards + GSs there all the time believe me...
grogheadflow does this style get you into a huge variation swings ? I play 100bb poker a bit looser than average reg and already i get 25bi swings on any given month, so playing like that i would assume my swings go up to 50bi on a monthly bases. True or not?
What I said above... as long as you do it right your variance will actually be lower. (imo).
So what you basically are stating is, ignore stats, handranges, absolute/relative strenght etc. etc. and act like a complete tard and us guys will make money?
Fck me thats cool!
Lol.... so long as you can justify everything to yourself you'll be ok.
The 7Tss triple barrel shove on KKQxx whenever I make a play like that I get snapped off so fast, it's ridiculous...how do you get away with it? :)
Don't get sad the first time you try it and it doesn't work. I also had reasons, timing tells etc that I went into in the vid...
Great to see a different approach to the game & one that has become so profitable for you. Will try to replicate your style in the near future although I think I will have the opposite outcome!
A really interesting video, and a good explanation of the method behind the madness. I think I'll watch it one more time. which is something I rarely do.
Could you please make a 100BB vid, and talk about the adjustments you would make to your style of play. especially when it comes to playing out of position (you said you basically don't have a cold calling range in the SB) and 3bet pots?
So if you are flatting 3bets/squeezes OOP w/ hands like 36s w/ zero history and little to no stats I guess that means that you are starting your sessions w/ the assumption that these players are just all monkeys willing to bluff shove super often, or, that they are super nits who will have a very polar range?
And please ... let's see a graph of your winnings if you haven't had one 25 buy in DS over 100k hands?
Awesome vid Grog ! Very good approach and def. learned a lot in this vid.
One thing. One the J9ss hand. How can you raise the turn for value ? I mean to me, and this is were i'm probably wrong and need your thoughts on that, how can you expect to have the best that confidently. Based on his pre-flop (min 3bet pre in SB), flop/turn (Bet/bet) and river action (shove when over over commited), i would be in a pretty awfull spot turn to continue when he bets again. You looked so confident you had the best hand, surprised a lot there.
I'd like to see a 100bb vid aswell. I don't think you can get this outta line and lead this much with 100bb stacks and still show a huge profit. Proof me wrong but I think your style is great in deepstacked games but will get ripped apart in 100bb play.
Great video, would love to see a 100bb vid next just to get and idea of what part of your game can be attributed to deepstacks and what part is because you are a psycho.
Also can you talk a little bit more about pot-to-stack ratios, their importance, and how they affect your play? Any links to good discussions of psr?
A really interesting video, and a good explanation of the method behind the madness. I think I'll watch it one more time. which is something I rarely do.
Could you please make a 100BB vid, and talk about the adjustments you would make to your style of play. especially when it comes to playing out of position (you said you basically don't have a cold calling range in the SB) and 3bet pots?
Also, your thoughts on Phil Brown.
My next 2 vids are a 200NL 6max series, I've just finished recording and start with 100bbs on 3/4 tables. Honestly though the adjustments aren't all that great. I can't flat 4bets with 76s, or 3bets with 84s. I can't apply quite as much pressure as I'd like in certain spots where I know villains are afraid to lose 200bbs.... other than that I play pretty much the same.
So if you are flatting 3bets/squeezes OOP w/ hands like 36s w/ zero history and little to no stats I guess that means that you are starting your sessions w/ the assumption that these players are just all monkeys willing to bluff shove super often, or, that they are super nits who will have a very polar range?
And please ... let's see a graph of your winnings if you haven't had one 25 buy in DS over 100k hands?
I suppose the way I differ from most is that without stats (meaningless in my eyes) and without history, I work on the basis that no-one ever has anything. And since playing on FTP yes I am working on the assumption that there's a lot of over-aggro monkeys, that's just been my observation.
As for polar ranges, most 6max regs have polarised ranges in tons of spots so yes...
As for graph, I'll post all the hands I have probably month end (only have the last 45k) but you'll have to take my word for it that the biggest (and only, depending on your definition) DS I've had this year is $9k, and that was with a lot of 5-10 involved....
Awesome vid Grog ! Very good approach and def. learned a lot in this vid.
One thing. One the J9ss hand. How can you raise the turn for value ? I mean to me, and this is were i'm probably wrong and need your thoughts on that, how can you expect to have the best that confidently. Based on his pre-flop (min 3bet pre in SB), flop/turn (Bet/bet) and river action (shove when over over commited), i would be in a pretty awfull spot turn to continue when he bets again. You looked so confident you had the best hand, surprised a lot there.
I was very confused on this one. Need help;
Once again keep it up ! Nice style :)
I'm raising the turn on the assumption that he'll spaz out with worse. People do this all the time, min raises just tilt the hell out of people. As for knowing I'm good, well sometimes I get shown AA of course.... but essentially my philosophy is that it's difficult to make hands. Stove an 8% 3betting range for example, and less than 1/4 of that range makes up JJ,QQ,KK,AA. So given the right PSR, and knowing how polarised 6max regs are in general I'm happy to stack.
I'd like to see a 100bb vid aswell. I don't think you can get this outta line and lead this much with 100bb stacks and still show a huge profit. Proof me wrong but I think your style is great in deepstacked games but will get ripped apart in 100bb play.
My next vid is 100bbs to start with (though I get deeper). I do ok...
My eyes twitch everytime I hear the word guess now.
Very interesting video tho, you are really good at articulating your thoughts (-guess)
You know I watched the video back and I couldn't believe how often I said that word.... it's not even a word English guys use! Incredibly tilting even for me to hear so often. $10 to a charity of your choice every time you hear it from now on...
its good you have your own style which you have developed yoursef (with bobbo as well?) and your game is pretty impressive
a couple of obvious things to say
you say that your style is low variance, but you have to appreciate that non SD winnings are subject to variance as well, so it is pretty likely that you are running good to have not experienced big swings thus far. obviously the fact that alot of players are bad and you are smart and aggro means that you will have a decent winrate, which will result in lower swings
i like the notes template, it is a very good idea, my notes are usually pretty muddled and useless
you play WAY too loose, and there is no need. you play well postflop but this doesn't make up for it. imo you suceed despite playing very loose and not because of it
there are very easy ways to exploit your style, and people are probably not really doing it, but you have to be carefull when you start playing against better opponents
just trying to be objective btw, and as i said, i like your style and think you play very well
It seems like you are making these weird plays like flatting 3bets and 4bets when the opponents range is at its widest (late position). So then when you do make these bluffs when you hit equity it is less likely they have a hand. Is this how you are approaching it fundamentally or am I off base?
Allways interesting to watch loose winning styles. I also find it interesting that you say PSR as I allways say SPR (stack to pot ratio), maybe it's some kinda 2+2 trend or something that I am not aware of, but I've never heard PSR before.
Interesting video, but can you really play like this and win?? You play the way I play when I'm stuck 8 buyins and harboring a 'MUST WIN POT!!" syndome. 53s facing a 4bet -> call; flop gutshot or bottom pair -> IM ALL IN! And usually the results of that are not good for me. Sick that you can play like this and crush. Looking forward to seeing more of your videos.
However you I think you were going way too much out of line especially when you had the initiave.
I mean you were two and three barreling a TON (w/ equity and on decent spots) but don't you think people will adjust? After a few times almost any decent regular will catch on and will call you down VERY LIGHT and that is a thing that you def don't want to happen. (especially given your style - winning w/o showdown a lot)
You were also leading a ton in the PF raiser, raising hands like t7s in utg k5s in mp - REGULARY, I mean there are def a good amount of spots where that is +EV but you were opening waay too light imo and people again WILL eventually catch on to that. The same applies w/ 3betting and all the aggresivness.
Also could you expand on your general strategy w/ leading - what hands your are lead/folding, lead/calling, lead/3betting. Also by leading so much you will kinda screw up your checking range.
Great video, would love to see a 100bb vid next just to get and idea of what part of your game can be attributed to deepstacks and what part is because you are a psycho.
Also can you talk a little bit more about pot-to-stack ratios, their importance, and how they affect your play? Any links to good discussions of psr?
You know, I'm not the renowned PSR expert, Bobbofitos is... but I'll have a stab. They're most important for measuring the 'acceptability' of stacking in any given situation. Thus, say for example you flat a 3bet with A-10, the flop coming T72r. To take an extreme example, are you happy to stack here with a PSR of 1 vs a standard reg? The answer would obviously be yes. Would you be happy stacking with a PSR of 10? Probably not vs most is the answer. Thus, when I flop a hand I'm immediately evaluating the maximum PSR I'd be prepared to get all the money in with in that particular spot.
To take the A-10 example, vs a standard 24/20 I might set the PSR stackoff threshold at 3.5. This number is fluid depending on a number of factors, ie the number can increase if villain is extremely fishy and spewy, it would decrease vs extreme nits. It can increase or decrease depending on board texture, recent history etc etc. I think most poker players think about this stuff, but I just like to quantify it verbally.
I know paper books are old hat, but Professional No Limit Holdem by Ed Miller, Matt Flyn devotes a 1/3 of the book to PSR....
v. interesting video
its good you have your own style which you have developed yoursef (with bobbo as well?) and your game is pretty impressive
a couple of obvious things to say
you say that your style is low variance, but you have to appreciate that non SD winnings are subject to variance as well, so it is pretty likely that you are running good to have not experienced big swings thus far. obviously the fact that alot of players are bad and you are smart and aggro means that you will have a decent winrate, which will result in lower swings
i like the notes template, it is a very good idea, my notes are usually pretty muddled and useless
you play WAY too loose, and there is no need. you play well postflop but this doesn't make up for it. imo you suceed despite playing very loose and not because of it
there are very easy ways to exploit your style, and people are probably not really doing it, but you have to be carefull when you start playing against better opponents
just trying to be objective btw, and as i said, i like your style and think you play very well
Non showdown winnings obviously have variance, I'm just saying that the variance is less. Reason being for one sample size... if your typical 500 hands session is dependent (for example) on winning 2 big pots at showdown then obviously variance is huge here (given that both or 1 may go against you, they may never come at all, etc) whereas stealing 100 small pots in a 500 hand sample is more of a 'long run' style, but condensed into a single session. If you look at any graph, showdown winnings bounce around all over the place but my non-SD red line is extremely steady in it's climb with very few downswings of more than a buyin at a time.
Some of the looser opens (k4s UTG etc) may well only be breakeven in a vacuum when I'm playing well... however crucially important is that it makes if much harder to assign me accurate ranges, and in a more ABC dumb stat reg kind of way people just never fold to a 34/30 (which is good, when it's an adjustment I'm expecting). Basically I'm looking at the medium and longer term benefits of playing as loose as I can get away with PF.
Nice video.
However you I think you were going way too much out of line especially when you had the initiave.
I mean you were two and three barreling a TON (w/ equity and on decent spots) but don't you think people will adjust? After a few times almost any decent regular will catch on and will call you down VERY LIGHT and that is a thing that you def don't want to happen. (especially given your style - winning w/o showdown a lot)
You were also leading a ton in the PF raiser, raising hands like t7s in utg k5s in mp - REGULARY, I mean there are def a good amount of spots where that is +EV but you were opening waay too light imo and people again WILL eventually catch on to that. The same applies w/ 3betting and all the aggresivness.
Also could you expand on your general strategy w/ leading - what hands your are lead/folding, lead/calling, lead/3betting. Also by leading so much you will kinda screw up your checking range.
Clearly people will adjust, in fact since making that video and playing on FTP more I've already noticed it. This isn't a bad thing though, it's not like I'm incapable of re-adjusting myself (and better), ie if a standard reg suddenly decides to defend 3bets more often vs me, then that's them out of their comfort zone, in spots they're unsure of. On the other hand, if all I have to do is tighten up suddenly in certain spots then that's a very easy adjustment to make.
Leading- I lead multiway on dry boards with air 'cos you get so many folds. HU, I'll experiment until I know how different guys react. If they're doing the whole ego thing of raising every one then I'll lead top pairs, 2 pairs, sets etc and call down. If they're folding often I'll lead all kind of backdoor stuff and air. Lead-3betting would be any spot where I'm looking to bet/3bet all in a draw most likely in a 3bet pot.
Interesting video, but can you really play like this and win?? You play the way I play when I'm stuck 8 buyins and harboring a 'MUST WIN POT!!" syndome. 53s facing a 4bet -> call; flop gutshot or bottom pair -> IM ALL IN! And usually the results of that are not good for me. Sick that you can play like this and crush. Looking forward to seeing more of your videos.
I have my own version of when I'm stuck 8 buyins, and it isn't pretty....
Allways interesting to watch loose winning styles. I also find it interesting that you say PSR as I allways say SPR (stack to pot ratio), maybe it's some kinda 2+2 trend or something that I am not aware of, but I've never heard PSR before.
I got it from Bobbo, ask him! I do think that PSR rolls nicer off the tongue though. SPR is a mouthful.
It seems like you are making these weird plays like flatting 3bets and 4bets when the opponents range is at its widest (late position). So then when you do make these bluffs when you hit equity it is less likely they have a hand. Is this how you are approaching it fundamentally or am I off base?
Yeah that's fair to say, I'm less likely to flat 102s to a 3bet from UTG vs a BB 3bet. The key point is I'm not just looking to crack a big hand, I'm looking to move them off whatever weaker hands they have, which is so so possible with any hand other than QQ,KK,AA which make up only 1.4% of hands (compared to a reg who's 3betting 8% out the blinds for example)... this is old hat but so true, they only flop a pair 1/3 times (and top pair obviously less), the other 2/3 times are mine.
hey, really interesting approach. I'm intrigued along with everyone else :)
-J9s hand 24 min in (where u flat a 3 bet cold in the big blind, and flop T9x two toned)
turn minraise is interesting. it seems like u are basically just going with ur hand 100% of the time whenever u have a piece of any board. do u ever fold!? perhaps with ur image it's okay to do so, if people are spazzing out against u often. it seems, though, that u are gonna constantly be getting stacked in spots like this against overpairs, etc (or like on flop u said u would bet call cuz he will have lots of draws - shouldnt a good player have a decent check shoving range of strong draws and made hands, that would make it grossly -ev to be always getting these marginal hands in 100bb deep?).
just seems like u are going to be getting ur money in very bad way too often. but again, looks like u have been doing well with this approach (with surprisingly little variance, as u mentioned), so perhaps there is good reason why it works. like others have said, I'd be curious to see the math in a lot of these spots. Perhaps it's sort of like Doyle's Super System approach, where he doesn't mind 'taking the worst of it' a lot of the time, since he is poicking up so many pots, etc.
Look forward to more vids. K, time to go blow 20 buyins trying to play like you :).
lol, you open folded QTo in the CO after all that stuff. WTF!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
this video is starting to make me afraid of the 50/45 guy that sits in my right and i instantly ellect as the fish that will donate me money. kinda frightening.
-J9s hand 24 min in (where u flat a 3 bet cold in the big blind, and flop T9x two toned)
turn minraise is interesting. it seems like u are basically just going with ur hand 100% of the time whenever u have a piece of any board. do u ever fold!? perhaps with ur image it's okay to do so, if people are spazzing out against u often. it seems, though, that u are gonna constantly be getting stacked in spots like this against overpairs, etc (or like on flop u said u would bet call cuz he will have lots of draws - shouldnt a good player have a decent check shoving range of strong draws and made hands, that would make it grossly -ev to be always getting these marginal hands in 100bb deep?).
Good players would ideally have a check shoving range of made hands and strong draws of course... however these strong hands are considered strong for a reason, and the reason is that they are hard to make (and thus obviously rare). So I believe that in the right conditions (my image, PSR, able to induce spaz town through small bets etc) people will be inclined to put money into the pot without either of the above.
I tried this style myself and failed miserably :). Still love the video, gonna watch it again later this week and try to add some tricks to my arsenal.
Really like your note taking strategy as well btw!
grogheadflow,at 39 min. u raised on J43 w 35 to induce a shove.But how would u play if u had overcards by yourself for ex. AQ,Q10?Would you just shove all in or maybe tried some float?
grogheadflow,at 39 min. u raised on J43 w 35 to induce a shove.But how would u play if u had overcards by yourself for ex. AQ,Q10?Would you just shove all in or maybe tried some float?
Hey, yes well obviously we want to generally be playing our made hands the opposite of our draws, so in this example with AQ etc we couldn't take the same line for fear of a weaker draw being reshoved. Stacks are kind of awkard for anything in this spot though, generally yes I'd just shove flop, but risk-reward wise in this particular hand we'd be risking $350 to win the $168, which isn't terrible but generally I'm probably looking for a stronger draw with these stack depths. 56 on a rainbow board of 56os with a spade would be fine...
if we make the stack depths slightly deeper, say he started the hand with $450, then float flop, shove over turn bet would be the line...
