can someone tell me which leggo coaches still beat the games so that i can watch their videos and maybe get better.
I haven't watched the video yet but there are about a hundred different ways to constructively criticize a video you don't like or ask questions to the producer about a play or plays you don't agree with without coming across as a complete a-hole.
A lot of work goes into making these videos and I'm sure even if there are aspects of some you don't like or think are that great there is still information that will help you get better - even if it's just starting a discussion about a hand you have a problem with. I'm sure Greg would be more than happy to answer these types of questions.
Arturboruc: not sure if you even watched the same video, I think it was good.
Greg explained well those hands where he missplayed.
Greg: on AJs when you lead on 433r, if you continue bluffing the turn on 7 and get called are you valuebetting the river J or are you check/folding ?
on the hand where you 3bet OOP 44 and the board comes 238r and the turn is A. I think double barreling small is more +ev than checking if we assumed that his range is weak pairs and floats. He would fold almost everything but A-high floats to turn bet. Now when we check he can get to showndown with 55-TT type hands and get free 6outer with float or valuebet A-high floats that hit or occasionally bluff us off with random air.
I think arturboruc was way out of line here, and I agree wtith Vitas.
But this did make me curious as to why someone would say such a thing.
So I looked lolmonies up on that infamous ratings site and greg does seem to be down quite a bit on FTP. This could be explained by the samplesize, but still it doesnt look too good.
Do you play on a different site normally greg?
I think its definitely more +EV to bet the ace on the turn with 44 because when u get called on that flop his range mainly consists of hands like 55,66,77,88 or a pair of nines, which all have u beaten.
By the way, what do you think about leading the turn with the 98 hand when u called a raise on a Q Q x board? It's pretty much unexploitable for him considering that he has a lot of air in his range in that specific spot, especially when its HU.
Glad you liked the video. Gonna post some replies quickly but I'm on vacation and posting from a Spanish computer so I cant guarantee everything will be completely thought out!
a few questions about AJhh about 25ish minutes in.
-when you check turn, are you ever intending to do anything but fold? should you have a c/c range here?
In this particular hand I am going to fold, but there are lots of situations when I would call. They revolve around when I lead with an ok but not amazing hand to thin the field and keep the weaker player in, and my plan does ok but I get HU with say the PFR. On the turn, I wouldnt want to turn my good hand into a bluff, nor check and fold so I would cc there.
-as a corollary, do you think olivestech should have bet turn with 99 when checked to?
It depends if hes ever floating the flop. He probably isnt, so he probably shouldnt.
-if you were in villain's shoes with 99, would there be value on blank rivers if an average oppt c/c turn?
Yes
always appreciate your efforts greg, and great work in the last thread
Arturboruc: not sure if you even watched the same video, I think it was good.
Greg explained well those hands where he missplayed.
Greg: on AJs when you lead on 433r, if you continue bluffing the turn on 7 and get called are you valuebetting the river J or are you check/folding ?
Sweet question. I think against this particular player I would check.
on the hand where you 3bet OOP 44 and the board comes 238r and the turn is A. I think double barreling small is more +ev than checking if we assumed that his range is weak pairs and floats. He would fold almost everything but A-high floats to turn bet. Now when we check he can get to showndown with 55-TT type hands and get free 6outer with float or valuebet A-high floats that hit or occasionally bluff us off with random air.
This spot is really close, close to the point where me having 44 vs. 66 matters a lot. I think betting is ok, and may be a few dollars more in expectation, but I had weird feelings about the hand and thought that he was really light, so making the pot bigger would be bad in that situation (if he's trying to bluff I shouldn't make the pot huge so my mistakes aren't amplified).
I think arturboruc was way out of line here, and I agree wtith Vitas.
But this did make me curious as to why someone would say such a thing.
So I looked lolmonies up on that infamous ratings site and greg does seem to be down quite a bit on FTP. This could be explained by the samplesize, but still it doesnt look too good.
Do you play on a different site normally greg?
I haven't played NL seriously on FTP in over a year and a half. There was also an update where I went from +100k to -2xxk without having played a hand.
Honestly, it doesn't bother me because I'm not claiming to be god, and, more importantly, I am under the gun constantly with making videos. It is my job to provide you guys with my thought process and why I am doing things. I have the opportunity to defend my plays, and you guys have the opportunity to question them, ask for clarification, and learn from the whole thing. You guys should only concern yourselves with how much I am helping you -- how effective my track record of a coach is from bringing x players from stakes y to z, or how much people improve from my videos. I'm pretty sure a lot of training site coaches have PTRs that are mangled, and the aforementioned reasons are why we don't really care (it doesn't affect our goals on the training sites) :).
I think its definitely more +EV to bet the ace on the turn with 44 because when u get called on that flop his range mainly consists of hands like 55,66,77,88 or a pair of nines, which all have u beaten.
By the way, what do you think about leading the turn with the 98 hand when u called a raise on a Q Q x board? It's pretty much unexploitable for him considering that he has a lot of air in his range in that specific spot, especially when its HU.
44 hand: Kind of addressed in other post, let me know if you want more clarification.
98 hand: If I lead the turn, that should't really change my perceived range at all. If he is bluffing on the flop, and thinks my turn donk is some mechanism designed to get him to fold his air, then he will just shove unless he is too scared to. I think that checking the turn and allowing him to check the turn back is a cheaper way of seeing if he is too scared to continue bluffing.
good vid, thought it was interesting how you can make more assumptions playing, on average, better players, than at lower stakes. you can assume certain things therefore, you take 'x' as your initial move. made a lot of sense, thanks for articulating clearly.
I really dont like ur 4bet betsizes. I think 244 is too high when u get a standard 3bet, I would rather put in a ~200$ 4bet
I think raising someone's bet of 90-110 to 200ish is way too low and you will get way too many calls. I guess this is fine if your 4bet range is comprised of more value hands than bluffs, but mine isn't, so I can't do that.
Sweet question. I think against this particular player I would check.
This spot is really close, close to the point where me having 44 vs. 66 matters a lot. I think betting is ok, and may be a few dollars more in expectation, but I had weird feelings about the hand and thought that he was really light, so making the pot bigger would be bad in that situation (if he's trying to bluff I shouldn't make the pot huge so my mistakes aren't amplified).
i am so confused with this 44 hand. you think we are still ahead on the turn? irrelevant. we beat floats but u really expect him to check jack high on the river? or are you planning on calling a bet?
i am so confused with this 44 hand. you think we are still ahead on the turn? irrelevant. we beat floats but u really expect him to check jack high on the river? or are you planning on calling a bet?
what makes you so sure that this guys range is so wide that he for sure has enough hands like J7s in his range to make calling a river bet profitable. I think that is a bit of results oriented thinking because there is nothing to suggest he would defend that light.
it seems like you are banking on 1. he is defending very light, 2. he wouldn't bet his pure floats on the turn, 3. he would bet his ace high floats primarily on the turn, 4. he won't be going for thin value with a 9 or perhaps a slow played TT-KK hand, but i guess he woulda popped the frop if he slow prayed ple.
I would argue our assumptions about his preflop and flop calling range should include a significant amount of ace high floats in his range relative to the other pure floats, some of which will check back turn for deception. don't you feel like that turn basically makes his range crush ours?
anyway it was a good video, you really are a deep thinker
btw, we met in atlantic city, we ate dinner together at bobby flay's, i am russell if you remember
what makes you so sure that this guys range is so wide that he for sure has enough hands like J7s in his range to make calling a river bet profitable. I think that is a bit of results oriented thinking because there is nothing to suggest he would defend that light.
As I mentioned in the video, and I really have no other reasoning for thinking that, I had a feeling that something was weird/different about the hand. Call it the subconscious culmination of all previous hands I've played before, the fact that I think I react to table dynamics and flow very well, etc., whatever.
it seems like you are banking on 1. he is defending very light, 2. he wouldn't bet his pure floats on the turn, 3. he would bet his ace high floats primarily on the turn, 4. he won't be going for thin value with a 9 or perhaps a slow played TT-KK hand, but i guess he woulda popped the frop if he slow prayed ple.
On the turn I have very close to a GTO semibluff BTW. I don't know how likely he is to bet floats on the turn vs. river since I don't have enough history (very good chance I decide after he bets the turn that I will shove), but I agree with your second part of #4 statement.
The majority of his betting range on the river is either Ax that he checked behind the turn, or some float that he gave up on on the turn but decided to fuck it and bluff the river when I kept checking. I think there's enough of the latter in his range to justify a call.
I would argue our assumptions about his preflop and flop calling range should include a significant amount of ace high floats in his range relative to the other pure floats, some of which will check back turn for deception. don't you feel like that turn basically makes his range crush ours?
anyway it was a good video, you really are a deep thinker
btw, we met in atlantic city, we ate dinner together at bobby flay's, i am russell if you remember
The turn is one of the worst cards in the deck for us for sure. I just don't think it's bad enough to change my river decision (grouped with our turn and river check-dance). I'm not expecting to see A7o on the river (and if I did, I think it would still justify a call)
Yeah I remember you. Didn't realize you were such a pain in the ass ;) Kidding!
